25th refuel on the Prius:
802 km, added 45,72 liters! (tank capacity is 45) I knew I was near empty.
(it was 1° celcius outside, pump choked constantly, maybe that affected it, or maybe the petrol station owner is a criminal)
5.700 l/100km calculated (again among my very worst tanks)
5,3 l/100km on Prius meter (again big discrepancy with calc)
I pumped my tyres up to 2.8 bar (they were down to 2.2 rear, 2.3 front). Yep, I pump them up just when it's gonna snow...
illepall
As a matter of fact, I detected some uncalled for engine revving upon exiting EV mode (already since it became cold this winter; or maybe even since the car servicing in September; I can't recall this phenomenon occurring last year). If I have another bad tank I'm going to stop by the garage to ask them to look into this.
Solar Hydro
802 km, added 45,72 liters! (tank capacity is 45) I knew I was near empty.
(it was 1° celcius outside, pump choked constantly, maybe that affected it, or maybe the petrol station owner is a criminal)
5.700 l/100km calculated (again among my very worst tanks)
5,3 l/100km on Prius meter (again big discrepancy with calc)
I pumped my tyres up to 2.8 bar (they were down to 2.2 rear, 2.3 front). Yep, I pump them up just when it's gonna snow...
illepall As a matter of fact, I detected some uncalled for engine revving upon exiting EV mode (already since it became cold this winter; or maybe even since the car servicing in September; I can't recall this phenomenon occurring last year). If I have another bad tank I'm going to stop by the garage to ask them to look into this.
Solar Hydro
Looking at my Prius, I don't expect too many problems. The 2 engines fit in a comparatively smallish compartment, and the battery (invisible behind the seats) is maybe 3x a normal car battery (I wish it were bigger).
A proper hybrid powertrain and electronics are less obvious to fit in the Seven.
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24th refuel on the Prius:
753km, added only 43.1 liters
(cold weather)
5.723 l/100km calculated (this is by far my worst tank since I have the car, I can't really explain why, other than the comparatively cold weather, only driving to my office and short trips, but the weather was not as cold as last winter).
5,4 l/100km on Prius meter (one of the largest discrepancies between meter and my measurement also).
It's been a long time since I checked air in the tyres, I'll do that on next refuel.
Solar Hydro
753km, added only 43.1 liters
(cold weather)
5.723 l/100km calculated (this is by far my worst tank since I have the car, I can't really explain why, other than the comparatively cold weather, only driving to my office and short trips, but the weather was not as cold as last winter).
5,4 l/100km on Prius meter (one of the largest discrepancies between meter and my measurement also).
It's been a long time since I checked air in the tyres, I'll do that on next refuel.
Solar Hydro
Finally a post on this thread that is relevant to OLFSL!
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/n ... prepares_to_clean_up.html
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http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/n ... prepares_to_clean_up.html
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23rd refuel on the Prius:
777km, added only 41.5 liters
(cold weather changes when it looks like you need to refuel)
5.39 l/100km calculated (one of my worst tanks as I recall it, some weird driving induced by the installation of the tracker device may explain it, as well as a bad traffic jam).
5,2 l/100km on Prius meter
Solar Hydro
777km, added only 41.5 liters
(cold weather changes when it looks like you need to refuel)
5.39 l/100km calculated (one of my worst tanks as I recall it, some weird driving induced by the installation of the tracker device may explain it, as well as a bad traffic jam).
5,2 l/100km on Prius meter
Solar Hydro
Actually, the tracker shuts down when I drive in EV mode too long, so I have the worst car for this... (except that ALL CARS will be like mine & then some soon).
Sol
Sol
My alpha test device is now operational (see my posting on this thread of 10 Nov 2006). E-mail or pm me for an online real-time animated demo ;-) or to purchase? ;-)
(requests are not likely to be satisfied immediately, as I need to build in some security, and I will be selective, applicants are likely to be disappointed when I'll reject them).
Lifting a little of the veil, you can check http://www.flickr.com/photos/solar_hydro/ (click on 'all sizes' above the pictures to get decent resolution)
Solar Hydro
P.S. Thanks for the kind words Bismarck, I checked the fuel consumption comparison site, I have seen better ones for the real freaks ;-) I could match the real freaks if I didn't drive on the motorway most of the time...
(requests are not likely to be satisfied immediately, as I need to build in some security, and I will be selective, applicants are likely to be disappointed when I'll reject them).
Lifting a little of the veil, you can check http://www.flickr.com/photos/solar_hydro/ (click on 'all sizes' above the pictures to get decent resolution)
Solar Hydro
P.S. Thanks for the kind words Bismarck, I checked the fuel consumption comparison site, I have seen better ones for the real freaks ;-) I could match the real freaks if I didn't drive on the motorway most of the time...
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22nd refuel on the Prius:
837km, added 43.2 liters
5.16 l/100km calculated.
5,0 l/100km on Prius meter
Solar Hydro
837km, added 43.2 liters
5.16 l/100km calculated.
5,0 l/100km on Prius meter
Solar Hydro
Almost half a tank to go, 5.0 l/100km on prius meter, it's getting cold...
Solar Hydro
P.S. Did you see F1 will implement regenerative braking (I already have it).
P.S.2. I was also trying 'Second Life', if anyone can act as a guide to cool places, tell me!
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P.S. Did you see F1 will implement regenerative braking (I already have it).
P.S.2. I was also trying 'Second Life', if anyone can act as a guide to cool places, tell me!
The Prius has ABS (anti brake lock) and ESP (anti wheel spin essentially).
The ABS/ESP is very sensitive, it even switches on when there is no snow (I know this because a yellow light flashes on the dash and the brakes feel weird then) on a particular bump in the road that you have to take while braking hard down to 30km/h and turning nearly 90° to the left at the same time.
We had 4-5cm of snow a few days last Winter; temps never below -8° centigrade or so. Needless to say, I ran some experiments.
I slammed the brakes in the snow in my street, and I accelerated hard in the snow as well, and basically it doesn't do much due to the ABS/ESP. All in all, that's far less fun than my previous car in which I used to do handbrake turns in the snow around the business park where my office is.
I have also driven 65-70 km/h in the snow on the motorway in heavy traffic at night, I was pretty much the fastest car on the left lane, passing numerous 4x4 SUVs. I have a movie taken with my phone while driving to prove it if needed
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Solar Hydro
The ABS/ESP is very sensitive, it even switches on when there is no snow (I know this because a yellow light flashes on the dash and the brakes feel weird then) on a particular bump in the road that you have to take while braking hard down to 30km/h and turning nearly 90° to the left at the same time.
We had 4-5cm of snow a few days last Winter; temps never below -8° centigrade or so. Needless to say, I ran some experiments.
I slammed the brakes in the snow in my street, and I accelerated hard in the snow as well, and basically it doesn't do much due to the ABS/ESP. All in all, that's far less fun than my previous car in which I used to do handbrake turns in the snow around the business park where my office is.
I have also driven 65-70 km/h in the snow on the motorway in heavy traffic at night, I was pretty much the fastest car on the left lane, passing numerous 4x4 SUVs. I have a movie taken with my phone while driving to prove it if needed
.Solar Hydro
Hello, and thanks for the comments,
This thread was triggered by Bismarck who asked for 'real world data, not brochure info on the Prius' (see start of this thread).
I reported it for him, and it's only 5 min effort a shot to do that reporting, so I kept on doing it after every refuel (I stopped converting l/100km to other measurements, but there are webpages that do that if you need it).
Prius is now 1 years and 2 1/2 months old. I have around 19500km on the counter.
I never got round to changing the rims, I decided against the plug-in hack for the time being (extra battery lifetime - 3500 cycles guaranteed - looks too scary, although I may be wrong about that), the car remains dent-free, I had a bit of a scratch across the hood (strange one) which my garage pretty much massaged away for free (all maintenance is free for 5 years, including materials, I didn't even pay for the windshield fluid etc.).
Last week, I got an an interesting alpha-test device installed (non-prius specific) that I'll tell you about later if/once I get it to work...
To install that thing, they took my car apart (including dozens of dashboard and airbag elements, the right-side seat, door panels, etc.), and now I have 2 rattling noises, one in the dashboard speaker (again) and another I have yet to fully identify. I'll try to get the device working, and then go and haunt them about the rattling noises (I told them in advance that I'd be back if it caused rattles - I HATE rattles).
Solar Hydro
This thread was triggered by Bismarck who asked for 'real world data, not brochure info on the Prius' (see start of this thread).
I reported it for him, and it's only 5 min effort a shot to do that reporting, so I kept on doing it after every refuel (I stopped converting l/100km to other measurements, but there are webpages that do that if you need it).
Prius is now 1 years and 2 1/2 months old. I have around 19500km on the counter.
I never got round to changing the rims, I decided against the plug-in hack for the time being (extra battery lifetime - 3500 cycles guaranteed - looks too scary, although I may be wrong about that), the car remains dent-free, I had a bit of a scratch across the hood (strange one) which my garage pretty much massaged away for free (all maintenance is free for 5 years, including materials, I didn't even pay for the windshield fluid etc.).
Last week, I got an an interesting alpha-test device installed (non-prius specific) that I'll tell you about later if/once I get it to work...
To install that thing, they took my car apart (including dozens of dashboard and airbag elements, the right-side seat, door panels, etc.), and now I have 2 rattling noises, one in the dashboard speaker (again) and another I have yet to fully identify. I'll try to get the device working, and then go and haunt them about the rattling noises (I told them in advance that I'd be back if it caused rattles - I HATE rattles).
Solar Hydro
21st refuel on the Prius:
It's getting colder, so fuel consumption is rising again.
837km, added 43.01 liters (I overpumped, some will evaporate)
5.13 l/100km calculated.
4,9 l/100km on Prius meter
Solar Hydro
It's getting colder, so fuel consumption is rising again.
837km, added 43.01 liters (I overpumped, some will evaporate)
5.13 l/100km calculated.
4,9 l/100km on Prius meter
Solar Hydro
20th refuel on the Prius:
885km, added 43.1 liters
4.87 l/100km calculated.
4,7 l/100km on Prius meter (but it was on 4.8 minutes before I refueled).
885km, added 43.1 liters
4.87 l/100km calculated.
4,7 l/100km on Prius meter (but it was on 4.8 minutes before I refueled).
How can you see which patch you have?
I can't recall downloading any for months.
Solar Hydro
I can't recall downloading any for months.
Solar Hydro
Congrats Julppu, how can you do all those ajustments in F12 while driving? when I do that I'm a pinball for the walls...
Solar Hydro
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Nice one, I didn't see it because Xenoa was always far ahead of me, but thx on behalf of the OLFSL staff ;-)
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Quick info for 18th and 19th refuel stats on the Prius.
18th (this was the tank where my EV mode button was broken for a while):
913km, added 45.0 liters (yes, the tank capacity is 45l)
4.928 l/100 km calculated, 4,7 l/100km on Prius meter.
19th:
891km, added 43.24 liters
4.85 l/100km, 4,7 l/100km on Prius meter.
Solar Hydro
18th (this was the tank where my EV mode button was broken for a while):
913km, added 45.0 liters (yes, the tank capacity is 45l)
4.928 l/100 km calculated, 4,7 l/100km on Prius meter.
19th:
891km, added 43.24 liters
4.85 l/100km, 4,7 l/100km on Prius meter.
Solar Hydro
My sincere condoleances Dave (FireBall).
Solar Hydro
Solar Hydro
For reference, the decision to include a RAC event occurred despite my kicking and screaming!illepall
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Went back to garage today; they fixed the 'EV mode' button in 5 min.
A connector was loose inside the dashboard.
Solar Hydro
A connector was loose inside the dashboard.
Solar Hydro
Lowgoods, there is precedent for this same effect having occurred in a previous OLFSL race, and a correction being made to the results. Your comment is noted. If you could inform us about your position at that time it would be helpful.
Solar Hydro
Solar Hydro
Pool 5: I apologise to anyone's race I affected.
I watched the replay just once and it doesn't look so bad, but please do not hesitate to file a complaint. It will be examined by an alternate appeals arbiter.
EDIT: I have now watched the replay from Johnathan Russ' car, and it is clear that he braked because he saw me skidding across the track, and that Johnathan Russ was then hit in the rear by another car, which caused a major accident with cars behind. I confirm my apology, I also note that whilst I may have been at the origin, I was not 'involved' in this incident as such.
My controls (which I did not change at all before this race) went progressively 'weird and weirder'. Right from the start, I experienced strange lockups upon just lifting the gas, and before mid-race, my car was slowed down to the extent that my top speed was 50 km/h below normal and I had to shift down to 6th on the straights to keep momentum and 4th or 5th in turns I should be taking in 6th. (I should have been able to catch Johnathan Russ after he passed me, but couldn't because of low top speed in straight lines)
After my lap 18 pitstop (with NO tyre change although I had it on 36% wear to trigger a change) it was even worse, so I pitted again on lap 20 to do an in-game recalibration (1 tyre was changed), which made my car jump forward and totally out of control in the pitlane, and the steering wheel was moving independently and hard to hold. I then managed to stop it again in the pitlane, considered spectating, but disconnected wheel and pedals and continued with mouse control. Obviously that caused me a few spins and offs, but I did actually do a 2.14x with mouse.
I brought the car home 8th (2 laps down). Maybe I should be disqualified for changing controllers during the race.
Again my apologies if I affected other racers.
Solar Hydro
I watched the replay just once and it doesn't look so bad, but please do not hesitate to file a complaint. It will be examined by an alternate appeals arbiter.
EDIT: I have now watched the replay from Johnathan Russ' car, and it is clear that he braked because he saw me skidding across the track, and that Johnathan Russ was then hit in the rear by another car, which caused a major accident with cars behind. I confirm my apology, I also note that whilst I may have been at the origin, I was not 'involved' in this incident as such.
My controls (which I did not change at all before this race) went progressively 'weird and weirder'. Right from the start, I experienced strange lockups upon just lifting the gas, and before mid-race, my car was slowed down to the extent that my top speed was 50 km/h below normal and I had to shift down to 6th on the straights to keep momentum and 4th or 5th in turns I should be taking in 6th. (I should have been able to catch Johnathan Russ after he passed me, but couldn't because of low top speed in straight lines)
After my lap 18 pitstop (with NO tyre change although I had it on 36% wear to trigger a change) it was even worse, so I pitted again on lap 20 to do an in-game recalibration (1 tyre was changed), which made my car jump forward and totally out of control in the pitlane, and the steering wheel was moving independently and hard to hold. I then managed to stop it again in the pitlane, considered spectating, but disconnected wheel and pedals and continued with mouse control. Obviously that caused me a few spins and offs, but I did actually do a 2.14x with mouse.
I brought the car home 8th (2 laps down). Maybe I should be disqualified for changing controllers during the race.
Again my apologies if I affected other racers.
Solar Hydro
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Reason : After reviewing replay a second time
18th refuel on the Prius today.
I also went for the first maintenance (I reached 15000+ km on the counter, which is the trigger for the first servicing).
The maintenance was completely free of charge (I did not even have to pay for materials like engine oil or windshield wiper fluid). They also did the preventive recall job on the steering column, swapped the tyres around, fixed a rattling noise I had complained about, and dealt with a scratch on the hood... all for free, which is nice...
On the downside, my 'EV mode' button (manual forced all-electric) doesn't work anymore !!! I already called the garage and they invited me go back any day next week to get it fixed. The car does go into all-electric mode, I just can't force it manually into that mode, so it's now like the Prii sold in the USA, which don't have the manual 'EV mode' button.
After having traveled 926 kilometres on this fuel tank - this may be my best - (of which about 10km, done by the garage presumably to deal with my rattling noise), I added 43,2 liters (I overpumped less than usual).
The Q8 price was €1.26/l (a new fully automated petrol station, which was clearly cheaper than the Texaco across the road).
The analysis of this fuel tank is as follows:
4.665 liters per 100km (Prius meter showed 4.7, I had 4.6 when I left it with the garage and they managed to take it to 4.7 by driving 10km!).
Converted to other measurements, this means:
50.42 MPG USA
60.55 MPG Imperial
Solar Hydro
I also went for the first maintenance (I reached 15000+ km on the counter, which is the trigger for the first servicing).
The maintenance was completely free of charge (I did not even have to pay for materials like engine oil or windshield wiper fluid). They also did the preventive recall job on the steering column, swapped the tyres around, fixed a rattling noise I had complained about, and dealt with a scratch on the hood... all for free, which is nice...
On the downside, my 'EV mode' button (manual forced all-electric) doesn't work anymore !!! I already called the garage and they invited me go back any day next week to get it fixed. The car does go into all-electric mode, I just can't force it manually into that mode, so it's now like the Prii sold in the USA, which don't have the manual 'EV mode' button.
After having traveled 926 kilometres on this fuel tank - this may be my best - (of which about 10km, done by the garage presumably to deal with my rattling noise), I added 43,2 liters (I overpumped less than usual).
The Q8 price was €1.26/l (a new fully automated petrol station, which was clearly cheaper than the Texaco across the road).
The analysis of this fuel tank is as follows:
4.665 liters per 100km (Prius meter showed 4.7, I had 4.6 when I left it with the garage and they managed to take it to 4.7 by driving 10km!).
Converted to other measurements, this means:
50.42 MPG USA
60.55 MPG Imperial
Solar Hydro
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